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tak co, laka nekoho podilet se na vyvoji?

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• ty zdrojaky bych klidne zverejnil, ale je treba vymyslet licenci. po kauze s linuxzone jsem uz opatrny. nerad bych, aby den po zverejneni zdrojaku vznikl napadne podobny server bcdlinuxu. dale bychom museli od kazdeho prispivatele ziskat licenci k uziti atd.
• za prve pred rokem a pul ty projekty byly jinde nez dnes a hlavne me tlacil cas. struts neumim, ale budu se jej muset naucit kvuli jednomu projektu. a to, co jsem videl, me rozhodne nenadchlo.
• u persistence jsem zase chtel maximalni kontrolu nad daty. abych je mohl editovat treba rucne prikazem mysql. a ty frameworky, ktere jsem tehdy umel, ukladaly serializovane objekty
• nicmene pomalu prechazim ke standardnim resenim. napriklad jsem nahradil vlastni scheduler tim, ktery je v java.utils. ted chci zlikvidovat vlastni LRU cache a pouzit neco z jakarty.
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[Zdeněk Štěpánek]

Zdravim Myslim, ze je to zbytecne prekombinovane. Podle me by to slo udelat cely v PHP a MySQL, nic jineho podle me neni potreba. Zdenek

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to bude asi tim, ze uz jsem pracoval na velkych projektech spise by me zajimalo, co na designu shledavate slozitym? me to prijde naopak velice jednoduche a elegantni. mam tu hierarchii trid reprezentujici objekty, jednoduchy zpusob pro jejich persistenci, controller a view. pokud se nekomu MVC architektura zda slozita, tak je to jeho problem, vyvracet mu to nebudu, casem na to prijde sam. slozitejsi je vyber sablon, to priznavam, na druhou stranu mi to hrozne setri cas a usnadnuje spravu. verzi pro lynx jsem diky ni zvladl za hodinu vytvorenim tri souboru, kdybych musel delat vsechny soubory pro lynx znovu, vykaslal bych se na to. v planu je verze pro plucker (opet mi budou stacit tri/ctyri soubory) a pro gprs.

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Zdravim, tohle nejak nechapu... " slozitejsi je vyber sablon, to priznavam, na druhou stranu mi to hrozne setri cas a usnadnuje spravu. verzi pro lynx jsem diky ni zvladl za hodinu vytvorenim tri souboru, kdybych musel delat vsechny soubory pro lynx znovu, vykaslal bych se na to. v planu je verze pro plucker (opet mi budou stacit tri/ctyri soubory) a pro gprs. " ...pro PHP snad neexistuji sablony? Ja osobne uz pouzivam pekne dlouhou dobu Smarty(smarty.php.net) a jsem velmi spokojen.

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Spis si myslim, ze je to otazka toho, co od konecny implementace ocekavas. Pokud bys chtel, jak rikas, neco sesmolit v PHP jako jednorazovy reseni, coz Leos mozna moch, tak by to bylo urcite rychlejsi a jednodusi v PHPku (znam ho jenom z doslechu :) ). Sesmolit to timto zpusobem lze samozrejmne i v Jave :) Ale myslim si, ze Leos se poucil a puvodniho projektu z penguina a presel na uplne opacnej extrem - maximalni mira abstraktnosti. Osobne si myslim, ze to je vzycky ten spravnej pristup, protoze jeden nikdy nevi, co kdy bude chtit pridat/zmenit/odebrat (viz. puvodni penguin_hw popisovanej v prvnim clanku). A ac se nam to vsem muze zdat sebeslozitejsi, tak myslim, ze po poradnym ponoreni do navrhu zjistis uplnej opak. Vsechny moduly jsou modularni/rozsiritelny bez minimalniho vlivu na ostatni komponenty a predelani modulu je vetsinou velice jednoduchy, nez kdyby bylo reseni "allInOne". To zaroven umoznuje i pohodlnou praci vice vyvojaru. A urcite nikdo nepochybujem, ze web jako je AbcLinuxu potrebuje byt co nejvic bezproblemove rozsiritelnej. Jina otazka je, proc Leos zvolil psani svych vlastnich komponentu. Mozna ze v dobe psani projektu jeste nebyli Strutsy, tam kde jsou dneska. To samy treba Hibernate. Pak by byla asi cela implementace abclinuxu jednodussi. Nebo lepe receno byla by stejne slozita, ale slozitost by byla resena prave frameworkama tretich stran a ne Leosem samotnym :) Proto rikam klobouk dolu, ze se s tim Leos psal :) <noflame> A posledni vec je asi ta, ze hodne linuxaku nema rado Javu, protoze je "pomala, preplacana, nevim co jeste....". Ale vsichni Javari vedi, ze to jsou dneska uz jenom obycejny blaboly :) Na servru to plati 10-ti nasobne. Takze opak je pravdou :) <noflame/>

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hm co byste potom rekli na to co provadim ja ;] sice PHP +Mysql jenze objektove jako delphi podebne VCL knihovny kde vystupem je XML(da se rict v objektovych celcich na sebe navazujicich) a vyobrazenei pomoci generovaneho XSLT z defaultnich vzhledu pro objekty popripade o upresnenou definici daneho scriptu

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Great insights on the PHP vs. Java debate! I appreciate the emphasis on modular design; it truly enhances flexibility and scalability, especially for a complex site like AbcLinuxu. Leos's approach to custom components is commendable, and it’s interesting to see how perceptions of Java are evolving. Hats off to Leos for the innovation!

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