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[D-Evil]

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[Max]

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[Salamek]

Nikdy jsem nepochopil jak nekdo muze hrat tuhle sracku...

[Sešívaný]

Největší návykovka, co jsem kdy hrál. Doslova se to bojím na Steamu koupit, protože by mi to opět sežralo ohromné množství času

[Václav "Darm" Novák]

Každý zboží má svýho kupce, nikdy jsem nepochopil jak někdo může odsuzovat cizí preference, ač je nechápe.

(tu hru jsem nikdy nehrál a fotbal se mi příčí)

[hajdy klum]

To je překvapení, viď? Svět se netočí kolem tebe a někteří mají dokonce rádi něco jiného než ty.

[petr]

Sracka jsi ty. Ja taky nenadavam na jine herni tituly! Jak se su pise, kazdy herni zanr ma sve priznivce.

Jinak cena 50eur je celkem dost, Steam se mi zda byt hodne drahy. V ceskych obchodech se bude dat sehnat za levneji.

[loki]

Steam se mi zda byt hodne drahy.

LOL

[vlastik]

Za tak LOL to neni. Nezlevnene tituly na Steamu jsou opravdu jedny s nedrazsich a to i v porovnani s klasickymi obchody.

[Max]

Nj., jenže steam má dost často moc pěkné akce, čímž to dost slušně vyrovnává.
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[vlastik]

Vsak jsem psal "nezlevnene" :)

[jehovista]

Jaky lol? Steam ma uplne nejdebilnejsi cenovou politiku. 1 EUR == 1 USD ?=? 1/3 GBP ? wtf? Nehlede na to, ze i tech eur kolikrat zaplatis vic, nez dolaru. Doporucuju kouknout na tuhle stranku:

http://www.steamprices.com/eu/topripoffs

Za jednu hru das bud 50 eur, nebo 15 liber(=18 eur). Ja teda kupuju hry do deseti eur, takze me to moc netrapi. Kdybych ale chtel koupit AAA novinku, tak rozhodne ne na steamu, zvlast kdyz muzes na jinych strankach koupit steam klic treba za tretinu.

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[jehovista]

Kdyz si koupim klic jinde v dolarech, tak je to danovy unik?

[vain]

Když přijdeš na to jak, tak dej vědět. A jen tak mimochodem není to jen o daních, cenu, a to, jestli bude vůbec v konkrétním regionu hra v nabídce, si určují sami distributoři, ne "Steam".

[jehovista]

Tak napr: http://www.greenmangaming.com/

Pochybuju o tom, ze koncovou cenu na steamu urcuji distributori. To by totiz znamenalo, ze se vsichni dohodli, ze 1 USD = 1 EUR

[vain]

Já neřekl, kde, ale jak. A pochybuj jak chceš, to ti fakt neberu.

[jehovista]

Nerozumim. Kartou, nebo paypalem. To neumis? Proste vetsinu tech her muzes koupit i jinak a dostanes k tomu klic na steam. Dal jsem podle me slusny argument, proc si myslim, ze to tak neni. Vyvrat ho.

[vain]

Jo jistě, zkoušel jsi někdy jehovistovi vyvracet jeho pravdu? Já mám vlastní zdroje, odkud tohle vím a když mi to někdo z takového zdroje řekne, tak nemám důvod mu nevěřit, na rozdíl od tebe, že. Takže věř si čemu chceš, já ti dokazovat nic nemusím a už vůbec ti nebudu vyvracet to, co si myslíš. Z toho jsem už vyrostl. Takže si to mysli dál, v pohodě. Opakuji, já ti to fakt neberu.

[jehovista]

Tak proc tady vubec debatujes, kdyz se nezmuzes na vic, nez "mam vlastni zdroje a nic ti dokazovat nemusim". Takovy plevel je v diskuzi uplne na h***

[vain]

Opravdu ti musím polopatě říct, že mám tu informaci od někoho, kdo svou hru na Steamu distribuuje? Chceš vědět víc? Dej si tu práci a přečti si obchodní podmínky služby Steam (respektive Greenlight). Určuješ si cenu, region a podobně, jediné čím se můžeš řídit jsou jejich doporučení. Největší plevel v diskuzích jsou ti, co si "myslí" ačkoliv jsou dva kliky od ověření informace.

[jehovista]

Tak bys misto urazek mohl poslat odkaz.

[vain]

S urážkami jsi začal ty, tak se hned nediv. Já prostě nechtěl do tohoto tématu sklouzávat, protože se tam podepisují různé mlčenlivosti a známý, s kterým jsem se o tom bavil se ostýchal už tak o tom vůbec rozmlouvat. Odkaz je na kupodivu na úvodní stránce. Na internetu je o tom obecně víc informací, ale věřím, že to už zvládneš sám. Řešilo se to hodně i u distribuce hry Rage.

[jehovista]

Na tom odkazu jsem nasel akorat tohle: "Pricing is very title specific, and we’ve got a lot of data and experience to help you decide on what the best price is for your title. We’ll work with you to figure out pricing."

Jinak samozrejme uz jsem hledal informace o tom, proc jsou v ruznych zemi ruzne ceny. Jenze nenasel jsem zadnou oficialni odpoved, jen prispevky v diskuzich. Ten podivny prepocet mezi vsemi menami je snad u vsech titulu a to se tyka i tech indie, ktere zrejme ani nejakeho velkeho distributora nemaji. Podle me ty vyznamne rozdily jsou dany regionem, ale prepocet mezi menami ma steam defaultne pro vsechny 1eur=1usd

[vain]

Já hlouběji nemůžu do této diskuse, nemohl jsem to vysvětlil známému, co je na Steamu ve skupině $ != € a nemůžu to vysvětlit tobě, tak nějak jsem to slíbil (a že jsem, než jsem zjistil, jak to je, taky hodně protestoval proti € == $). Žádné výchozí přepočty tam ale nejsou. Dej si dohromady sílu trhu, opravdu i ty daně jak někdo výše zmiňoval, distributora a tak maximálně nějaká doporučení na základě zkušeností Steamu, viz ta věta, co mají teď v těch FAQ (před tím, než vznikl Greenlight měli ty FAQ podrobnější).

A buď si mysli dál to, co sis myslel do teď a já ti to nechtěl rozmlouvat (a stále nechci), nebo zkus propašovat svou hru na Steam a uvidíš sám víc ti opravdu neporadím.

[jehovista]

Tak ja vychazim treba z tohohle: http://www.ftlgame.com/?page_id=192#cost Takze bud je to doporuceni steamu, nebo defaultni konverze. Ale autori FTL to asi taky nemuzou napsat jasneji. Budu ti verit, ale stoprocentne jsem presvedcen jenom o tom, ze steam cenovou politiku dost taji.

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Jo a abych odpověděl na první část. Proč bych neuměl? Podle sebe soudíš ostatní? Jde jen o to, že od PayPalu já ze svých důvodů držím ruce dál, a kartou nebudu platit na více místech, než je nezbytně nutné, takže na Steamu budiž, ale rozdávat číslo své kreditky na dalších x stránkách? Zas tolik těch kreditek nemám a raději zaplatím víc, než průser. Takových, co si kupovalo "levný iphone" protože byl (podezřele) levný a dorazila jim cihla bylo dost. Ne, děkuji.

[patrik]

LOL

[vain]

Díky za příspěvek, přesně něco takhle konstruktivního nám tady chybělo, klidně ještě něco přihoď, takových rad není nikdy dost.

[jehovista]

Jo a abych odpověděl na první část. Proč bych neuměl?

Protoze jsi napsal tohle:

Já neřekl, kde, ale jak.

[vain]

Tím jsem myslel jak na Steamu nakoupit za dolary.

[jehovista]

No jednoduse koupim hru v obchode, ktery uvadi ceny v dolarech. A PayPal mi strhne penize podle aktualniho kurzu. Ja jsem nenapsal "na steamu", ale "jinde". No a kdyz to koupim jinde, tak to porad muzu na steamu aktivovat.

[vain]

Jo, ale PayPalu bych nepřevedl ani kus hovna a informace o své kreditce taky nerozdávám kdejakému obchodu. Za zbytek se omlouvám, tu vědu koupím jinde jsem nějak přejel, myslel jsem na Steamu v dolarech.

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[Jardík]

32bit šmejďárna?

[Jardík]

No vnucuje to 32bit Steam, asi jo.

[hmm]

Hrat hry, protoze pres procesor behaji 64bitove instrukce je teda podivna uchylka. Jinak Steam podporuje i 64bit hry ;) Staci trochu hledat..

[Jardík]

Ten Steam je 32bit a nefunguje v 64bit systému (CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION=0)

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