Cyberdecks

13.2.2016 20:50 | Přečteno: 10389× | Obecné IT | | poslední úprava: 24.3.2016 01:18

It has been few days, since I created the /r/cyberDeck subreddit. I did so, partly because I was inspired by the Building a cyberdeck article, but also because of few IRC discussions I participated, and because I think that there is more to this idea, than just nice cyberpunkish look and feel.

What is deck

Deck or CyberDeck is this mobile computer first imagined by William Gibson in Neuromancer and later slightly extended and redefined by the Shadowrun as well as other (Cyberpunk 2020, GURPS Cyberpunk) role-play games, card games (Netrunner) and novels.

With his deck waiting, back in the loft, an Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7. They'd left the place littered with the abstract white forms of the foam packing units, with crumpled plastic film and hundreds of tiny foam beads. The Ono-Sendai; next year's most expensive Hosaka computer; a Sony monitor; a dozen disks of corporate-grade ice; a Braun coffeemaker. Armitage had only waited for Case's approval of each piece.

_{— GIBSON, William. Neuromancer. New York: Ace Books, 1984, 271 s. ISBN 0-441-56959-5.}

(_{William Gibson's Neuromancer: the graphic novel volume 1. New York, N.Y.: Epic Comics, 1989, 1 v.. ISBN 0871355744.})

He snugged the surgical steel jack into the socket at his emple and his fingers flew across the keyboard of his Fuchi cyberdeck, launching him into the Matrix. His vision shifted to that dazzling electronic world of analog space where cybernetic functions took on an almost palpable reality. He ran the electron paths of cyberspace up the satellite link and down again into the Seattle Regional Telecommunications Grid. Within seconds, he was well on his way to the rendezvous with his companions inside the Renraku arcology.

_{— CHARRETTE, Robert N. Never deal with a dragon. New York, N.Y., U.S.A.: Roc, 1990, 377 p. ISBN 0451450787.}

_{(Juan Gimenez)}

_{(Vairous internet sources, mostly tumblr / pinterest.)}

Although both in Neuromancer and Shadowrun novels (Never Deal with a Dragon for example) is deck equipped with neural interface, it is not uncommon that it is depicted with buitin keyboard.

_{(Vairous internet sources, mostly tumblr / pinterest.)}

Sam slid back the cover panel and pulled out the telecom connector. With a quick switch of plugs, the Elf's cyber-deck took the place of Castillano's computer. He reached for the datacord that would connect his socket with the deck. He almost changed his mind, but found courage when he remembered the innocents in the arcology who would suffer if no one tried to help. He slipped the plug in, steeling himself against the expected pain.

It came, flashing through his brain faster than before and leaving a distant malaise in its wake. Sam focused his mind on the task at hand. Turning a blind eye to the gleaming spires and pulsing data paths that surrounded him in cyber-space, he charged forward to the massive Renraku construct. Using his company passwords, he opened a portal into the main database.

Glittering rows of stars lay in serried ranks and columns all around him. Each point of light was a datafile, its tint reflecting the filing category. Sam fed the cyberdeck the key words and executed the search function. His point of view shifted with dazzling speed along the rows. He paused briefly at each file suggested by the deck, discarding useless information as he searched.

In what seemed like only a few minutes, he found it. He copied the file and fled back to where he had entered the Matrix.

"There is a counteragent," he announced to the circle of concerned faces as he pulled the data cord from his temple.

_{— CHARRETTE, Robert N. Never deal with a dragon. New York, N.Y., U.S.A.: Roc, 1990, 377 p. ISBN 0451450787.}

Inspiration

The obvious inspiration for the whole cyberdeck thing was the 8bit home computers back in the era:

_{(Amstrad CPC 464 by DeNeMa. Only thing it is missing is neural interface ;)}

_{(Vairous internet sources, mostly google.)}

Imagine yourself passing computer store in 80's and see in the shop windows those beautiful computers. Almost no one knows what to do with them, but they are cool, flashy, with efects never seen before. Talking heads in TV talk about Hackers and information superhighways, and everyone is curious and anything seems possible. It really makes your fantasy going.

_{(Source: Vintage toy stores.)}

Its not that hard to imagine, that that's where the deckers (cyberpunk hackers) and netrunners holding the deck, flying in 3D space and fighting computer programs came from.

Today, still a lot of people is still attracted to decks because of their cool look. With the advent of small one-board computers like Raspberry PI, you can see attempts and discussions about building the decks:

• Making a cyberspace deck
• Revisting an old idea - building a classic cyberdeck using current tech
• Finally peicing together my Pi Cyberdeck (Work in Progress)
• How to create a gibson/shadowrun inspired cyberdeck

_{(Source: Stagediver | RadioGraffiti.)}

_{(Portable PC project inspired by Shadowrun Cyberdeck by chimerus.)}

_{(Active Wirehead: Building a Cyberdeck.)}

Why the deck?

So, why would anyone want to use deck and not a notebook?

The idea of usefulness of the deck came to me from the opposite direction, than to most of the people I guess;

I was thinking a lot about what does being „digital nomad“ mean and what would be required to be truly independent, but not to give up comfort of having two displays, one of which is big 27" LCD. I work as a programmer (did you know, that there is /r/HMDprogramming? :)), and big monitor directly contributes to my productivity. I really need a lot of space for editor, terminals and other stuff I deal with.

Consider following example:

And that's just one of 16 virtual desktops I use, others filled with documentation, server connections, database consoles and similar stuff. If you try to cram all that stuff on notebook screen, it just isn't right and context switching can get annoying really quickly:

So I was thinking; Would it be possible to have all the comfort of big screen and still live like a nomad, always on the road? Pretty soon, it was obvious, that you would have to have either big caravan (or maybe a camel with LCD holder :P), or HMD display.

_{(This year should be good year for Head Mounted Displays. From left to right: HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Sony project Morpheus, Razer OSVR, Rapture HMD and Avegant Glyph.)}

But most of the notebooks will have problems to handle the HMD, because of high requirements on GPU, which also means high power consumption (that is also true for decks, but you are not limited by screen size and the size limits for notebooks). Also the idea of having the display and the HMD at the same time is just pointless. You won't see it with HMD on, and it would just consume power for no reason. So, that's how the idea of decks came into my mind.

I think, that in the near future, there is relatively big fraction of computer market share for the decks, because HMD's will be more and more common, but I don't think, that we will see them often sooner than 10 years from now.

EDIT: To get the idea of VR environment, look at this video; Virtual desktop demo.

The Deck I would like to build

Given unlimited budget and access to good workshop, I would build highly customized workstation, with highly customized software.

There is this piece of email conversation between me and Pavel Křivánek, which I can't forget:

> ... Myslím, že si časem taky zkusím napsat jednoduchý interpret smalltalku, tím se to člověk nejlépe naučí.

Jestli můžu radit, zkus rovnou interpret Selfu. Ty nuance toho, jak geniálně pracuje s lexikálními prostory, aktivačními objekty apod. jsou naprosto kulervoucí

> Poslední dobou mě taky zaujal Squeak, trochu si s ním hraju a zdá se mi, že tam jsou hodně zajímavé věci, které ještě musím prozkoumat. Hodně mi přijde, že tam byl kladen důraz na synergii člověka se softwarem (ala Engelbart), na úkor běžného sw vývoje, což mě docela zajímá. Možná se budu muset podívat ještě přímo na Self, ten prototype-based vývoj vypadá, že je pro tenhle druh aplikací lepší.

Pro mě je Self srdeční záležitost. Zvláště to, že dokázal vyřešit mnoho neduhů Smalltalku tím, že ho ještě více a citlivě zjednodušil, je ve vývoji programovacích jazyků asi naprosto unikátní případ.

Na druhou stranu, Smalltalku se v současnosti lépe daří vyvážit tu akademickou rozevlátost s praktičností. I podle autorů Selfu je občas problém si v něm zachovat přehled, což ve Smalltalku díky třídnímu systému není takový problém. Týká se to i snazší tvorby podpůrných nástrojů. Ale třeba pracovat ve virtuálním 3D prostoru plném poletujících outlinerů, to by bylo úplně jiné programováníčko

Loosely translated:

> ... I think, that I will try to write simple Smalltalk interpret one day. Thats best for learning new language.

If I can advise you, try the Self interpret. The nuances of how brilliantly it works with lexical spaces, activation objects and so on are just breath taking.

> Lately, I was also captivated by Squeak, with which I was toying a little and I think, that there are really interesting things, which I still need to explore. It seems to me, that there is strong emphasis on the man-software synergy (ala Engelbart), at the expense of standard sw development, which I find interesting. Maybe I will have to look into Self, that prototype-based development looks like it is better for this kind of applications.

For me, the Self is the matter of heart. Especially how it solved a lot of Smalltalk's problems by simplifying it, is a really special case in the world of programming languages.

On the other hand, Smalltalk now balances better the academical flamboyance with practicality. Even the Self's authors acknowledges, that there is sometimes problem to keep situational awareness, which in Smalltalk is not that big problem, thanks to the class system. This also applies to easier creation of support tools. But the ability to work in virtual 3D space full of flying outliners, that would be [untranslatable inflexion of word `programming` meaning something like `happier/better/more-enjoyable programming`].

_{(Self really doesn't look like typical IDE. There is never enough space for outliners.)}

Self is really interesting language, somehow forgotten gem, which almost no one use, because it works differently than most of the current-date programming languages. Whole IDE is really strongly space and visually oriented. After I've played with it a little, I must say, that it (or Smalltalk) would do a really nice desktop environment for 3D system.

_{(Source: Ghost In The Shell: Arise.)}

Of course, this probably wouldn't be user-friendly and thus usable for most of the people. But my idea of the deck was never meant to be. Such project would have to have custom, DIY hardware, only for real enthusiast. It would be much more interesting, if the software would be also highly customized programmer-only thing, completely ignoring the normal users and their principles of operation. As the image from the Neuromancer graphic novel says: „The meat stayed home, strapped to a custom deck“.

Once I found this think-path, I couldn't just stop there. When you realize, that you don't need to limit yourself with standard notebook parameters, you may actually imagine completely new device with more completely different features, which makes sense only with the concept of decks. Pretty quickly, I've got something qualitatively different than standard consumer notebooks.

_{(3D model I've created to illustrate this article. Feel free to use and remix it.)}

For example - typical notebook have one shitty webcam used for video calls. With the decks, you may actually want something like four or six hi-res webcams, to provide you with situational awareness, when you have the HMD on. In the virtual reality, imagine this as big sphere around you. There are some floating windows, between you and the sphere, and at sphere itself, there may be output from the cams showing your surroundings. The cameras could also in theory be used to track you and your hands and map you into the 3D environment, leapmotion style.

Keyboard could be detachable and the deck could track its position and position of your HMD, using the same LED trick Oculus uses, so it could render it's virtual form into the 3D environment.

There could be built-in Leapmotion / Kinect -like sensors, which would sense hand motions, so no gloves would be required. It would be also nice to have small e-ink display, as the system console, for debugging and system-info purposes.

Crazy stuff

Instead of cheap WiFi card, there could be USRP (really good Software Defined Radio) card, combined with FPGA, so you could actually take the deck into the field and let it be useful in hacking / tracking / capturing of the signals. Of course, it could also emulate the WiFi / Bluetooth / Zigbee device, with right software.

Since this wouldn't be the standard consumer hardware built for multimedia / gaming, it would be possible to use some really alternative computing platform, like this sweet 18 core low-power Parallella computer board.

_{(The Parallella Board - 18-core credit card sized computer.)}

Only thing, that is really mandatory is high-end GPU, possibly mobile. There is no way around it, if you would want to have enough processing power to support smooth 3D environment in the HMD display. This is one of the reasons, why we don't see many of the decks today, and in the near future. GPU is simply too much greedy.

_{(Reddit: Portable Pele-Rift. This is how the today consumer hardware deck looks like when you put the high-end GPU into it.)}

So if I use the 3D model I've created, it would look somehow like this:

Thoughts?

So, what do you think? Does the idea of the decks have any chance to live? Would you want one? For aesthetic / enthusiastic / professional reasons? Do you think it could make actually useful workstation?

Let me know, either here on the abclinuxu (first the nick, then the current year as captcha, then message), or in the /r/cyberDeck. Don't be shy, I am really curious to hear what you think, even if you find this article years from now!

Disclaimer

I don't know how to speak English, so I just guessed. Did you found a bug? Great, send a pull request!

       

Komentáře

[Jendа]

I was thinking a lot about what being „digital nomad“ mean and what would be required to be truly independent, but not to give up comfort of having two displays, one of which is big 27" LCD.

I still don't understand why nobody makes laptops that don't fold in half, but in third, so you have two screens. Or something like this (which I wouldn't prefer as I need the monitor ~20cm above the keyboard).

[xkucf03]

IMHO because laptops even with just one display are large and heavy devices. Maybe you can buy some tablet or large smartphone and use it as a secondary display.

[Bystroushaak]

Maybe you can buy some tablet or large smartphone and use it as a secondary display.

I've experimented with this, but it sux. Current systems are simply not ready for this kind of operation.

[hypvofxy]

How much of Fear Factory, Red Harvest, X-Dream or so have you been been listening to lately? This is the kind of thoughts I struggle with in my head after hearing them a lot.

[Bystroushaak]

None. Just some powerwolf, but I don't think, that they are related :)

[xxxs]

"I don't know how to speak English, so I just guessed"

a teda preco?

[Jendа]

So people from Reddit (and other foreigners) can read it…

[Bystroushaak]

a teda preco?

Stejnou otázku mi položil kamarád na IRC:

20:53 <~fm4d> jsem myslel ze mas nejaky lepsi umisteni kam to hodit
20:54 <~fm4d> kdyz tje anglicky
..
20:56 <~RemoteFox> to beru proste jako muj blog
20:56 <~RemoteFox> moje misto
20:57 <~RemoteFox> nehodlam publikovat na 20 mistech
20:57 <~RemoteFox> i kdyz active wirehead by to asi bral

Vzhledem k tomu, že to má za za ~11 hodin 1375x přečtení, tak lidem česká platforma asi nevadí. Tohle je zrovna blog, kde jsem si říkal, že potenciální set čtenářů je v Čechách docela malý a stejně každý, kdo k tomu bude mít co říct umí anglicky, tak proč ne?

Jinak já už sem psal jeden anglický blog dřív a obecně se mi to zdá jako docela normální praxe, odhadem bych řekl, že tak jednou za čtvrt roku se tu něco takového objeví, rozhodně nejsem první.

[Zz.]

lebo je to chalán velmi svetoví :) a českoslovenština už nie je velmi populárná...

[LEARNING SLOVAK-LESSON THREE]

You're an crip. Akostné a vzťahové adjektíva zakončené na tvrdú alebo obojakú spoluhlásku sa skloňujú podľa PEKNÝ, nom.sg. aj so životným podst. menom koncovka -ý. V slove populárna si porušil rytmický zákon, debilko.

[dotaz na kastráta miriama]

co je to chalán?

[ST]

In my opinion the biggest challenge is creation of a system suitable for long term use (eg. 5 hours a day for a few months) without causing health problems such as eye pain or other eye problems, headache and nausea...

[hypvofxy]

This crossed my mind either. Judging by experience, staring into computer screen all day can cause a slight spacial disorientation for a small amount of time after leaving the computer, especially after playing video games. I guess it'd be much worse if VR were to be used for both work and personal use as a primary display device.

It's quite well known that reading in a moving vehicle can cause a nausea. Brain gets a signal that the body is moving, but at the same time eyes are directed at a fixed point. VR is exactly the opposite. The body is not moving, but you see and move in actual space which you "believe" to be in.

I'd like to see someone else's opinion as I don't have any experiences with VR and therefore it may not be the case.

[Bystroushaak]

From my short and limited experience with oculus rift:

I think, that it is not that bad, after all, I didn't felt nausea or pain in the eyes at all. It felt like putting moskito net over your head (lowres pixelization), but other than that, I was simply there, in the VR, without need to focus my eyes or anything, just like real life.

Compared to old-generation HMD, like Vuzix 920, which I bought about a year ago, and which left my eyes crying and hurting, newgen HMD are A LOT better. Few years from now, there will proably be gigantic market forces pushing to improve the technology with each iteration. It is only matter of time, until all remaining problems will be solved and sold in standard customer hardware in big shop malls, right next to bread and coca-cola.

[Fluttershy, yay!]

Add neck strain (because of weight balance) and skin irritation (due to contact/heat).

[Bystroushaak]

Related discussions:

• /r/cyberpunk
• /r/cyberDeck

[Bystroushaak]

Kdyby někoho zajímala relevantní diskuze, tak v obou zmíněných odkazech je docela na úrovni.

If anyone would be interested in relevant discussion, there is nice one in linked threads.

[Radovan]

Hosaka? Chybí ti v těch fotkách TI-99. I když to vlastně nebyl osmibit :)

[Bystroushaak]

Já si říkal, že už jsem to někde viděl :)

[Rad]

he! jsem zacal premyslet a zjistil jsem, ze nevim, jestli je to 8 bit, nebo kolik ... az po otevreni obrazku jsem si uvedomil, ze jsem myslel na TI-59 :)

[Agent]

Článku moc nerozumím, už jen proto, že na jazyky sem tupoun. Ale zaujaly mě ty MSXka. Škoda, že se zavčas víc nerozšířily aspoň u nás, když už jsme byli osmibitová "velmoc". Některý vypadaji docela cool dodnes. Jenže lidi radši kupovali buď levný osmibity anebo pak drahý IBM na serioznější práci. Pro tenhle typ počítače tu asi nebylo moc místo.

[Bystroushaak]

Tak ony tenkrát levné osmibity byly na průměrný plat stále docela drahé.

[Zz.]

Pametám ako v tej dobe existovaly Stanice mladých technikov. Keď si mal zaujém o počítače, či už o programovanie alebo tie hry, zapsal si sa do krůžku a alespoň si mal kolem seba kamarátov. Dnes to mladý dostanů od rodičov pod stromkom a šmrdlajů si s tým sami doma v kůtku

[JS1]

Tak tohle si taky pamatuji. Ale nazor, ze to driv bylo lepsi, je opravdu scestny. Bylo hrozne tezke sehnat kontakt na nekoho, kdo vecem opravdu rozumi, a pak ho clovek musel otravovat. Informace se shanely strasne obtizne, zvlast pro deti. Dneska je vsechno na Wikipedii nebo na Youtube nebo na Githubu (dost zjednodusene receno). Pozdeji sice prisly ruzne FidoNETy a tak, ale bylo to dost drahe.

A navic, ja bych byl za ty "deti v koutku" vdecny. Dnes lide travi az prilis mnoho casu na socialnich sitich, ktere jsou predatorsky optimalizovane na to, aby to tak lide delali. Muj otec tvrdil, ze diky temhle modernim "distrakcim" existuje mene geniu, protoze se lide tolik nesoustredi, a myslim, ze mel pravdu.

Na druhou stranu, dnesni deti jsou nepochybne lepe vyrovnane s erou informacni hojnosti, v ktere se nachazime. Ja mam patrne z te doby socialismu "sberatelsky instinkt". Asi jako muj otec nechtel vyhazovat zadne jidlo (ale i jine veci), protoze zazil jako dite valku.

[xkucf03]

A navic, ja bych byl za ty "deti v koutku" vdecny. Dnes lide travi az prilis mnoho casu na socialnich sitich

Já to pochopil tak, že v tom koutku matlají po mobilu/tabletu a sjíždí sociální sítě, kde buď závidí ostatním nebo se sami snaží něčím chlubit.

Na druhou stranu, dnesni deti jsou nepochybne lepe vyrovnane s erou informacni hojnosti, v ktere se nachazime. Ja mam patrne z te doby socialismu "sberatelsky instinkt".

Na sběratelském instinktu není nic špatného – i dnes reálně hrozí na jedné straně cenzura a na druhé straně zahlcení nesmyslnými informacemi, které mají odvést tvoji pozornost. Takže dát si někam stranou důležité a hodnotné informace/data a uchovat si je, je zcela racionální krok. Informace (nebo služby, tam to platí taky) je potřeba decentralizovat a distribuovat mezi lidi – ne se spoléhat na to, že si je kdykoli stáhnu z Internetu a že je za mne bude spravovat někdo jiný (buď nebude, nebo v tom bude mít svoje zájmy, které se nemusí shodovat s mými).

[ajtakbyminickukradli]

Keď už sa raz do mňa bez podnetu opäť pustil ten nepodarený imitátor, niečo by som predsa len k téme poznamenala.

Každý, kto už nejaký čas strávil v školstve a má možnosť porovnávať generácie Vám povie, že úroveň absolventov škôl obdobného typu a stupňa od ZŠ po VŠ je v porovnaní s minulosťou alarmujúca. Určite má na to vplyv viac faktorov, zmeny hodnotovej orientácie, štýlu života, spôsobu trávenia voľného času, zrejme v neposlednom rade zmeny (kríza) rodiny, kríza autorít. Ja ľutujem všetkých mladých začínajúcich pedagógov, ktorí si vybrali učiteľskú profesiu v týchto časoch, pretože za to sizyfovské úsilie nedostanú ani morálne ocenenie, ani len slušný plat. Mnoho tých detí má vážne poruchy pozornosti, nie sú schopní sa koncentrovať dlhšie na jeden predmet, činnosť, pri čítaní textu sú unavení z čítania po niekoľkých riadkoch a samozrejme, že sa nudia, pretože tomu textu nerozumejú, nie sú schopní zapamätať si súvislosti, na konci vety si už dávno nepamätajú jej začiatok. Keďže necvičili mechanickú pamäť (dieťa sa predsa nemá učiť naspamäť!), nevedia napr. násobilku alebo vybrané slová či vymenovať spoluhlásky:). Oni totiž nevedia ani, čo je to spoluhláska - keďže namiesto drilovania základov moderná škola uprednostnila "hravé formy" podľa metodických materiálov vydávaných ľuďmi, čo si ich sami neoverili v praxi - ak vôbec krátko v tej praxi boli a nesedia len na "univerzite" alebo niekde na metodickom stredisku.

No a internet a hranie sa na počítači má tiež svoj podiel na všetkých tých "poruchách učenia", ako potom túto výchovnú a vzdelanostnú zanedbanosť diagnostikuje školský psychológ.

dnesni deti jsou nepochybne lepe vyrovnane s erou informacni hojnosti

Omyl. Ich ani informačná hojnosť nezaujíma. Teda, zaujíma ich aký odtieň očí má nejaký ich idol a aké nosí číslo topánok, s kým spáva a pod.

http://tn.nova.cz/clanek/zaci-usikanovali-ucitelku-k-smrti-ted-prodavaji-nahravky-s-mucenim.html

http://www.blesk.cz/clanek/zpravy-krimi/373655/video-brutalni-sikany-na-prazske-skole-takhle-zaci-usikanovali-ucitelku-k-smrti.html

Tí nedonosenci by mali sedieť, až zmodrejú.

a táto tiež

Mám dojem, že z tejto priemyslovky zameranej na IT pochádzajú aj niektorí tunajší užívatelia. Správanie majú identické s tými malými psychopatmi.

[Fluttershy, yay!]

TN Nova, Blesk...

[ajtakbyminickukradli]

No a čo, davkol, chceš povedať, že sú to nedôveryhodné zdroje? V tom prípade je trochu o zvláštne, že Vaša ministerka školstva chce byť osobne oboznámené so závermi vyšetrovania, pretože si to vraj vážnosť situácie žiada. Čo dorábajú už decká na ZŠ viem priamo od našich adolescentov, prvý krát som to počula v mojej väčšinou chlapčenskej triede, ktorá končila asi pred 10 rokmi - oni sa veľmi bavili na tom, ako nejakého učiteľa na ZŠ zavreli do zasklenej vitríny. A ani veľmi nechápali, prečo by sa na tom nemali smiať a chváliť sa tým. Alebo mi - tiež pred pár rokmi - iní chlapci rozprávali, ako dobyli kameňmi psa, ktorého predtým niekto mučil a hodil do jamy - vraj mu tým skrátili utrpenie. A mám tiež jedného, čo vraj na ZŠ, ako hovorí sám, keď ho učitelia "nasrali", hádzal po triede lavice... A jednej učiteľke sa tiež chlapec vycikal do koša na smeti. Všetko sa to ozaj deje a už dlho sa nad tým zatvárajú oči.

To, že žiak, rodič môže všetko, je chybne pochopená "demokratizácia" zo strany rodičov, žiakov, verejnosti... Ono sa to všetko všetkým vráti. A najskôr tým dnešným "študentom". Ich už ich decká budú mlátiť.:)

[Fluttershy, yay!]

Ano.

[:-(*)]

http://www.petice24.com/otesny_pipad_ikany_-_sp_tebein_praha_10

http://praha.idnes.cz/sikana-ucitelky-na-prumyslove-skole-dv1-/praha-zpravy.aspx?c=A160216_2226000_praha-zpravy_nub

https://youtu.be/O-jE2smVJ2o

[ajtakbyminickukradli]

dobili:)... ono je to chytľavé, je najvyšší čas prenechať tú bohumilú činnosť mladým nádejným pedagógom ako sú niektorí, ktorí presne vedia, ako to zvládnuť a ktorí konečne prinesú do školstva požadovanú kvalitu

[JS1]

Odpovim jen strucne - nepopiram, ze dnesni skolstvi ma oproti socialistickemu jiste problemy (i kdyz nevim, jestli bych to striktne oznacil za horsi), ale o tom muj prispevek nebyl.

Me slo o to, ze nekdo, kdo se o pocitace/elektroniku zajimat chce, a/nebo ma treba rodice, kteri ho v tom chteji podporovat, to ma dnes mnohem snazsi nez v 80.letech. Tehdy, i pres existenci DDM (kam jsem chodil, do vicero krouzku), byla vzajemna izolace lidi zajimajicich se o tuto oblast (ale patrne i jine) daleko vyssi.

[Václav "Darm" Novák]

Neviděl bych to tak černě. Dost mladších lidí které znám (a kteří mají tendence hrát si s moderní technikou) se sdružují také. Ne nad osmibity, ale nad arduinem, raspberry, ESP8266… A navíc se v posledních letech vynořily větší či menší hackerspacy.

[Bystroushaak]

Pametám ako v tej dobe existovaly Stanice mladých technikov. Keď si mal zaujém o počítače, či už o programovanie alebo tie hry, zapsal si sa do krůžku a alespoň si mal kolem seba kamarátov. Dnes to mladý dostanů od rodičov pod stromkom a šmrdlajů si s tým sami doma v kůtku

Taky jsem chodil jako dítě do kroužků elektroniky a počítačů. Byla to docela bída, na jeden počítač asi tak 15 dětí, které se v té hodině a půl musely vystřídat. Nějak si nedělám iluzi, že dřív to bylo lepší.

[SLOVAK LESSON ONE]

Pamätám. že v tej dobe existovali Stanice mladých technikov. Keď si mal záujem o počítače, alebo o progaramovanie, či hry, zapísal si sa do krúžku a aspoň si mal okolo seba kamarátov. Dnes to mladí dostanú od rodičov pod stromček a piplú sa s tým sami doma v kútiku.

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[Socka]

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[Zz.]

áno, to by sa aj mne velmi páčilo :)

[Kyberkeks]

Ty tam taky nic nemas?

[SLOVAK LESSON TWO]

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