Ardour 2.0 - DAW na Linuxu

17. 9. 2007 | Libor Křivák | Multimédia | 22203×

Oblasti hudebního softwaru v současnosti jednoznačně dominují dva operační systémy - MacOS X a MS Windows. Není tomu tak dávno, co prakticky veškeré pokusy o audio aplikace pro GNU/Linux budily spíše úsměv na tvářích uživatelů těchto platforem, kteří jsou hýčkáni nepřebernou nabídkou profesionálních audio aplikací a několikagigabajtovými virtuálními instrumenty s vyšperkovaným grafickým rozhraním. Uživatel Linuxu dřel bídu s nouzí a ať chtěl či nechtěl, k ukojení svých hudebních choutek musel rebootovat do výše zmíněných systémů. Časy se ale (snad) mění...

Zní to jako revoluce

Vývoj Ardouru jsem zpočátku sledoval jen tak jedním okem, ale i tak mi neuniklo, že po verzi 1.0 se autorský tým v čele s Paulem Davisem místo otvírání šampaňského vrhl okamžitě na přepsání GUI do GTK+2, což bylo nedávno úspěšně završeno vydáním finální verze 2.0. I když jsem zpočátku nebyl zvoleným toolkitem příliš nadšený (prostě raději Qt aplikace než GTK+2), musím uznat, že nový slušivý kabátek Ardouru velmi sekne, a jistě tomu pomohla i spolupráce s německým designérem Thorstenem Wilmsem.

Co to umí

K čemu že to vlastně Ardour slouží? Jak asi většina z vás tuší, k profesionálnímu nahrávání, editaci a mixování hudebních nahrávek. Jako většina obdobného softwaru disponuje:

• neomezeným počtem audio stop, sběrnic a počtem pluginů
• nedestruktivní editací a možností neomezeného undo/redo
• synchronizací přes MTC(MIDI Time Code), MMC(MIDI Machine Control) a JACK
• plnou podporou LADSPA audio pluginů a částečně omezenou podporou VST pluginů (viz dále)
• podporou HW ovladačů (Mackie, Logic control)
• plnou podporou automatizací

Instalace

Pro účely recenze jsem zvolil distribuci zaměřenou právě na zpracování zvuku založenou na openSUSE Jacklab Audio Distribution, aktuálně ve verzi 1.0 beta 2. Jacklab má předpřipravený realtime kernel, který zaručí maximální výkon v audio aplikacích bez dropoutů. Ardour je samozřejmě také obsažen, ale pokud chcete mít zapnutou podporu VST (a to určitě chcete) je potřeba stáhnout zdrojové kódy Ardouru, VST 2.3 SDK od firmy Steinberg, nainstalovat Scons a GCC a devel balíky projektu Wine. Archív vstsdk2.3.zip umístíme do adresáře libs/fst a zadáme scons VST=1 a následně scons install. Pokud máme v systému všechny potřebné devel balíky (a není jich málo), měli bychom se dočkat kýženého výsledku, jehož funkci můžeme ihned ověřit zadáním ardourvst.

Na první pohled

Hned po prvním spuštění Ardouru je jasné, kde brali autoři (tedy hlavně Paul Davis) inspiraci. Ano, jsou to slavné Pro Tools od firmy Digidesign. Také proč ne, vždyť Pro Tools jsou v oblasti profesionálního HDR legendou a jakýmsi nepsaným standardem (i když zde je potřeba zdůraznit, že síla a jedinečnost Pro Tools HD nespočívá jen v SW, ale i HW, který je se SW dokonale odladěn); zřejmě kvůli jejich dominanci ve velkých studiích za oceánem. Na starém kontinentu přeci jen značnou část koláče ukrajují Nuendo a Soundscape. Takže zatímco uživatelé Pro Tools se budou v Ardouru cítit jako ryby ve vodě, uživatelé v domácích studiích asi rozšířenějších Cubase, Sonaru či Logicu, které vznikly původně jako MIDI sekvencery a o DAW možnosti byly rožšiřeny později, si budou muset trošku zvykat. Ardour, podobně jako již zmíněné Pro Tools, obsahuje dvě hlavní okna zde nazvaná "Editor" a "Mixer". V těch se odehrává téměř vše podstatné, takže v Linuxu s výhodou využijete standardních virtuálních ploch či druhého monitoru.

Ardour 2.0 versus Pro Tools 7.1 M-Powered

Editor

V okně "Editor" se podle všech očekávání nachází časová osa, na niž můžeme přidávat jednotlivé stopy či sběrnice. Záznam v audio stopách je znázorněn ve formě tzv. regionů, které představují jednotlivé audio soubory (nebo jejich části) uložené na disku, a jejichž seznam najdeme v záložce umístěné úplně napravo okna. Regiony můžeme vytvářet, stříhat, přesouvat, mazat, kopírovat, zkracovat či prodlužovat bez změny ladění. Veškerá editace je samozřejmě nedestruktivní a je možno využívat neomezené undo. Nechybí také možnost "snapování" (přichytávání regionů na definovanou mřížku) a punch recordingu. Pokud upřednostňujete práci v jednom okně a neradi se přepínáte do okna mixeru, o kterém bude řeč v další kapitole, můžete si v levé části Editoru zobrazit pomocí klávesové zkratky (Shift+E) šavli aktuálně zvýrazněné stopy.

Okno Editor

Průběhy fade-in a fade-out na začátcích a koncích regionů můžeme pohodlně editovat přímo na časové ose. Na výběr v menu pod pravým tlačítkem máme lineární a exponenciální průběhy (linear, slowest, slow, fast, fastest). K detailní editaci tzv. crossfadů slouží v Ardouru X-fade editor, v němž jsou přednastavené průběhy, které můžeme pochopitelně editovat ručně pomocí uzlů.

X-fade editor

Po vzoru Pro Tools lze zobrazovanou velikost stop měnit jen po krocích (small, smaller, normal, larger, large, largest) nikoliv plynule, jak to známe z ostatních HDR programů. Pravdou je, že toto rozmezí je pro efektivní práci více než dostatečné a pohodlně jej lze měnit myší (shift + kolečko myši).

Pro každou stopu lze vytvořit a editovat také graf automatizace nejen panoramy a zisku (neboli posunu faderu), ale i všech parametrů přiřazeného realtime efektu (pluginu). Ardour disponuje následujícími režimy automatizace:

• Manual - vypnuta
• Play - čtení automatizace
• Write - zapisuje spojitě
• Touch - zapisuje, pouze pokud pohybujete faderem

Možnosti automatizace

Ardour také umožňuje tzv. freezování stop známé například z Cubase, při kterém je stopa jakoby "zmrazena" včetně všech efektů, automatizací a nastavení. Její editace je možná až po následném "rozmrazení". Cílem tohoto "zmrazení" je ulehčit procesoru při větších a na výpočetní výkon náročnějších projektech.

Celkově lze říci, že editační možnosti Ardouru v ničem podstatném nezaostávají za komerční konkurencí a pokud vám přeci jen nějaká ta "featura" schází, můžete si o ni napsat autorům.

Mixér

V okně mixpultu je vše krásně přehledně a logicky uspořádáno podle signálové cesty, jak tomu bývá na analogových mixpultech. V každé "šavli" najdeme nejprve (odshora) její název, výběr vstupu a tlačítko record. Následuje sekce pro vkládání pre-fader inzertů, sendů a realtime pluginů. Zde je signál ještě nezávislý na poloze faderu (tahového potenciometru). Pod ní najdeme tlačítka Mute a Solo, následuje samotný fader, VU metr indikující amplitudu signálu a tlačítko ovládání automatizace faderu. Pod ním tlačítko Group, kterým můžete příslušnou stopu či sběrnici začlenit do podskupin, ve kterých je pak společné ovládání faderu, tlačítko post, pre a input, kterým vybíráte zdroj signálu. Následuje sekce pro post-fader pluginy, inzerty a sendy, pod ní najdeme ovládání panoramy a směrování výstupu. Ke každé stopě si můžete také vytvořit komentář s jejím popiskem. Jak jste si možná všimli, autoři se rozhodli nezabudovat ekvalizér přímo do mixpultu, ale přiklonili se k názoru, že si každý ten svůj oblíbený EQ vybere ve formě pluginu. Těžko říci, zda je to výhoda či nevýhoda, ale faktem zůstává, že konkurenční DAW většinou nějakým zabudovaným EQ disponují.

Mixpult v Ardouru

MIDI Sekvencer

Aktuálně poslední verze Ardouru 2.0.5 bohužel zatím nedisponuje MIDI sekvencerem, tudíž můžete zapomenout i na využívání v současnosti velmi populárních virtuálních instrumentů. K tomu musíte použít synchronizaci s jinou aplikací (např. Rosegarden přes JACK). Ale na implementaci sekvenceru již pilně pracuje (v rámci programu Google Summer Of Code) Dave Robillard. Aktuálně byla přidána podpora základní editace MIDI stop jako kvantizace, mazání a přidávání not pomocí nástroje pera, barevné rozlišení not podle síly, přesněji rychlosti úhozu (velocity), stopy pro perkuse (kanál 10) a dva módy pro zasílání MIDI CC dat (kontrolery) - diskrétní a po částech linearně interpolovaný.

Aktuální stav vývoje MIDI sekvenceru

Pluginy

Dost podstatnou záležitostí je samozřejmě podpora takzvaných realtime plug-inů, bez kterých se asi v dnešní době neobejdeme. Používat můžete dva druhy pluginů: LADSPA nebo VST. Volně dostupných LADSPA pluginů je poměrně velké množství, ale bohužel o velké většině z nich se dá říci, že nejsou příliš kvalitní (některé jsou přímo "naprosto k ničemu", ale pár použitelných se přeci jen najde). Na všechny parametry pluginu můžete samozřejmě použít automatizace. Daleko důležitější ovšem je, jak se Ardour popere s VST pluginy, protože ty jsou v současnosti průmyslovým standardem, který podporují v podstatě všechny firmy.

Ardour využívá projektu FST, který je závislý na Wine a z toho samozřejmě plynou jisté problémy a ne všechny pluginy rozchodíte. Pluginy (dll knihovny) umístíte do /usr/local/lib/vst nebo /usr/lib/vst, kde je program ve výchozím nastavení hledá. Abych se přiznal, byl jsem příjemně překvapen množstvím VST pluginů, které se podařilo bez problémů zprovoznit. Našly se ale i takové, které buďto vedly k pádům, nebo se mi je nepodařilo oživit vůbec. Proto doporučuji nejprve pluginy řádně vyzkoušet a následně používat jen ty stabilní. Je jasné, že tato cesta nebude nikdy úplně ideální, i když se Wine neustále vylepšuje. Dost často jste odkázáni na elaborování s různýmy buildy Wine a když rozchodíte jedno, nefunguje druhé.

VST pluginy v Ardouru 2.0

Těchto problémů si je naštěstí spousta lidí vědoma, a tak existuje ještě jedna možnost, jak rozchodit VST pluginy a instrumenty v Linuxu. Ta sice přímo s Ardourem nesouvisí, ale přesto ji okrajově zmíním. Vzniká totiž projekt JOST, který nepoužívá žádné Wine, ale jde o opravdu nativní VST host. Projekt je zatím ve velmi raném stádiu vývoje, ale i tak je již řada VST pluginů a instrumentů funkčních. I tato cesta má samozřejmě menší zádrhel, a tím je nutnost přepsání částí kódu pluginů, aby byly čistě linuxové. To je možné jen u pluginů vydaných pod GPL nebo podobnou licencí a nedovedu si v současnosti představit, že by se podařilo přesvědčit softwarové firmy, aby svoje pluginy samy portovaly.

Mixdown

Celou "session" a tedy i výsledek své práce můžete samozřejmě ve finále vyexportovat jako jeden audio soubor, neboli provést tzv. mixdown a následně například vypálit na CD. Výběr exportních formátů je poměrně velký a nechybí samozřejmě ani nejrozšířenější WAV (8, 16, 24 a 32 bitů). Dále pak AIFF, RAW, PAF, AU, IRCAM a W64 (64bitový WAV).

Mixdown session

Video a prostorový zvuk

Pokud vytváříme hudební doprovod k filmům či reklamám, můžeme využít projektu xjadeo, aktuálně ve verzi 0.4.0, jímž lze synchronizovat video přehrávač a Ardour přes JACK nebo MTC. Pokud vás zajímá možnost mixování prostorového zvuku přímo v Ardouru, pak vězte, že byl také zahrnut do programu Google Summer Of Code.

Ardour a xjadeo

Kompatibilita

Ardour používá svůj vlastní formát souborů pro ukládání session na bázi XML, což je samozřejmě chvályhodné, ale jak už to tak bývá, v současnosti s jeho formátem v žádném komerčním HDR nepochodíte. Pokud potřebujete váš projekt dostat do či ze studia, kde používají s největší pravděpodobností komerční DAW, musíte exportovat každou stopu zvlásť, například jako WAV. Do budoucna by se určitě hodila podpora OMF (Open Media Format), který podporují jak Cubase, Sonar, Digital Performer, Logic, tak i Pro Tools (díky DigiTranslatoru). Samozřejmě i OMF má svá omezení, ale alespoň základní přenositelnost projektů mezi aplikacemi zajišťuje. Jeho podpory v Ardouru bychom se mohli časem dočkat díky projektu Deck2OMF. Ohledně podpory AAF (Advanced Authoring Format) sice nějaké zmínky můžeme v mailing listech vývojářů najít, ale asi jde zatím o hudbu budoucnosti.

Ardour v akci

Závěr

Přestože není vývoj Ardouru zdaleka dokončen a na některé funkce si musíme ještě chvíli počkat (MIDI sekvencer, surround mixing), již dnes představuje v kombinaci například s masteringovým programem JAMIN velmi komplexní audio řešení pro platformu GNU/Linux. Také díky němu ušel Linux v oblasti zpracování zvuku za poslední zhruba dva roky obrovský kus cesty a již se přiblížil na dohled lídrům pelotonu MacOS X a MS Windows, i když mu stále ješte cosi chybí. Ať už je to nedostatek kvalitních aplikací jako je právě Ardour, nebo přeci jen ještě obtížnější instalace a zprovoznění oproti konkurenčním platformám, či potřeba uspokojivě dořešit otázku VST/VSTi. Ale i tak nezbývá, než pomyslně smeknout kloubouk před autory, (zejména Paulem Davisem - ten stál i u zrodu nízkolatenčního audio serveru JACK bez kterého by se nedalo o profesionálním audiu na Linuxu ani hovořit), kteří odvedli kus poctivé práce a dokázali téměř nemožné - přinést uživatelům Linuxu opravdu profi audio aplikaci na bázi open source. Doufejme, že vývoj Ardouru bude pokračovat alespoň stejným tempem jako doposud, a že neskončí v propadlišti dějin. Byla by to dozajista velká škoda, protože potenciál na to být opravdu "revolučním" určitě má. Příště (jestli tedy nějaké přístě bude) se podíváme na zoubek dalšímu nadějnému programu, a to modulárnímu audio/MIDI sekvenceru energyXT2.

Klady

• Cena - za obdobný komerční software zaplatíte řádově desítky tisíc korun, Ardour je samozřejmě zdarma.
• Multiplatformnost - Ardour rozchodíte pod MacOS X, Linuxem i FreeBSD.
• Otevřený formát session na bázi XML.
• Možnost synchronizace s ostatními aplikacemi přes JACK.
• Otevřený zdrojový kód.

Zápory

• Absence MIDI sekvenceru (zatím).
• Ne uplně ideální podpora VST.
• Neobsahuje vlastní sadu alespoň základních realtime pluginů, jak tomu bývá u konkurence zvykem.
• Nekompatibilita s komerčními formáty souborů (alespoň OMF bychom se ale časem mohli dočkat).
• Ne uplně triviální instalace - obzvláště kvůli podpoře VST je nutno kompilovat program ze zdrojových kódů, což může být pro uživatele-hudebníka či zvukaře přeci jen obtížné.

       

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[s0]

supa počtení.

Jen pár postřehů k doplnění:

jacklab rt kernel je sice vyladěn k muzice, ale jsou tam dodrbané některé jiné věci. Např. detekce připojených médií (usb, cd, dvd), což třeba poněkud diskvalifikuje yast2 z instalace SW.

Instalace ardouru, speciálně verze 2 je opravdu pro labužníky. Měl jsem pocit, že jsem se navrátil do dob slávy "rpmfind". Nějak tomu chyběly gtkmm2 balíky (jacklab).

V těchto dnech si hraju s Qtractorem. Docela epesní a jednoduchá záležitost (až na absenci podpory VST, ale to prý časem bude).

Že bychom už měli v oblasti nahrávání na výběr? (ardour2, qtractor, wired) Ó, jak vzrušující doba ;)

Nedávno vyšel nový lmms a také nevypadá věru zle. Asi se na něj také juknu.

Proč proboha většina těchto SW zavádí vlastní grafický kabátek? Vždyť se na to víceméně nedá koukat.

[Ctirad Feřtr]

jacklab rt kernel je sice vyladěn k muzice, ale jsou tam dodrbané některé jiné věci. Např. detekce připojených médií (usb, cd, dvd),

Jak konkrétně? Nic takového nepozoruju. Respektive nepozoruju rozdíl mezi stroji s RT a normálním jádrem v tomto směru.

Instalace ardouru, speciálně verze 2 je opravdu pro labužníky.

To je spíš problém některých distribucí, ne? Já intaluju ardour přes emerge ardour (respektive před pár lety jsem ho takhle nainstaloval a teď už mi chodí jenom nové verze) a ničeho špatného jsem si nevšimnul.

Že bychom už měli v oblasti nahrávání na výběr? (ardour2, qtractor, wired) Ó, jak vzrušující doba ;)

No nevím. Wired moc na nahrávání není. Popravdě dodnes jsem nepřišel na to, k čemu vlastně je a co umí. Chtělo by to alespoň jeden demosong. Pokud to má být samohrajka ala reason, tak to mi tedy mnohem zajímavější (a hlavně funkční) přijde třeba Beast nebo PD (i když to je trochu z jiného soudku).

Qtractor se dost dobře nedá nazvat DAW i když na seznámení s jeho problematikou nebo jednoduché a intuitivní zaznamenání okamžitých nápadů je výborný.

Každopádně nevím, proč zrovna zmiňovat tyhle dvě. Existuje toho mnohonásobně víc. apps.linuxaudio.org napoví.

Proč proboha většina těchto SW zavádí vlastní grafický kabátek? Vždyť se na to víceméně nedá koukat.

Většina určitě ne. Když pominu zmíněný wired nebo PD, tak ostatní jsou normální GTK nebo QT aplikace.

[s0]

1) jacklab rt kernel mi zkrátka a prostě nespolupracuje s výměnnými médii. Navíc jsem včera objevil, že začal vyhazovat hromadu xrunů. Což je ale jiná pohádka.

2) ano, je to záležitost distra. Na druhou stranu spolu tedy moc nesouvisí jacklab rt kernel a gentoo ebuild pro ardour, že?

3) ano, Wired je divný. Qtractor je pro mne výtečný právě díky své jednoduchosti. Protože já dělám jednoduchou muziku. Prostě teď to u mne vypadá následovně: qjackctl, qtractor, hydrogen. A hromada CAPS ladspa pluginů. Víc, kromě kytary s externím předzesilovačem, mi netřeba. Opravdu na demo práci, která se v budoucnu často ani nepoužije, nechci studovat týdny všechny vlastnosti Ardouru.

4) Proč je pak i ten ardour obarven do černa? Ale je to nepodstatné.

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[clco]

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[kavol]

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možná by taky nebylo od věci napsat odkud jsi, tyto věci se leckdy řeší líp osobně a třeba budeš mít štěstí, že potkáš nějakého muzikanta z okolí, který bude ochoten se zastavit

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[Phokz]

Výborný článek, měl bych též zájem o počtení o hardware používaném linuxovými hudebníky.

[vencas]

+1. Ocenil bych taky přehled HW na trhu pro tyto účely (uvažuji o koupi USB zvukovky, která by dokázala nahrávat 8 nezávislých stop, ale moc ani nevim, kolik to stojí a hlavně jak to pod Linuxem šlape).

[Ctirad Feřtr]

USB na 8 nezávislých stop je dost špatný nápad (a kromě toho taková karta se snad ani nedělá). Pokud to nemůže být PCI (tam jsou dobře podporované karty například M-audio delta 1010 (LT), Echo Layla, RME multiface, případně s jistými omezeními E-mu 1616m). Z firewire toho běhá celkem velká část a ještě větší část toho pojede v dohledné době, ale ovladač je zatím dost experimantální, nicméně použitelný.

[vencas]

A vida, jsem rád že odpověděl někdo kdo tomu zřejmě rozumí víc než já! Můžete konkrétněji s těmi zařízeními na FireWire (notebook, takže PCI ne)? Díky.

[Ctirad Feřtr]

Záleží, co přesně potřebujete. Kolik vstupů, kolik výstupů, kolik digitálních rozhraní a jaká, jestli i mikrofonní předzesilovače nebo stačí linky. Pokud to má mít 8 analogových vstupů, tak už to taky nebude žádná láce, počítejte tak kolem 15 tisíc za nějaký entry level (pro srovnání PCI M-audio delta 1010LT přijde na nějakých 6kKč i když kvalitativně je to samozřejmě nižší třída, pro mnoho použití bohatě stačí). Kromě samotných zvukovek na FW existují i mixpulty s FW výstupem. Nedávno někdo reportoval funkčnost pultu Phonix Helix board 18 MkII, který za rozumné peníze nabízí hned 16 stop po FW. Samozřejmě nejde o žádný studiový highend ale dovedu si to představit třeba ve zkušebně nebo klubíku a vždycky při hraní k tomu jenom připojit notebook a odnést si záznam z jednotlivých vstupů k dalšímu zpracování.

Co se týče podpory FW karet v linuxu, jako odrazový můstek bych doporučil stránky projektu ffado ,který má za cíl vytvořit generický ovladač pro firewire karty a hlavně jeho mailinglisty. Je tam i tabulka HW, ale údaji v ní bych se moc neřídil. Například "not supported" je potřeba číst jako: "výrobce karty na nás kašle, takže pro nás jeho produkty nejsou priorita", nicméně fungovat klidně mohou. Většina FW zvukovek totiž používá standardizovaný protokol, takže není potřeba extra driver jako u PCI karet. Ale jak říkám, pro běžného uživatele, co nechce s ničím laborovat, to asi ještě není připravené.

Abych nezapomněl, karta do notebooku nemusí znamenat nutně Firewire, případně USB. Jsou i karty do cardbusu. To se týká třeba již zmíněné RME multiface, e-mu 1616m nebo starších kart Echo Layla/Gina/Mona (kvalitní, dobře podporované a dají se koupit za zajímavé peníze z druhé ruky). Navíc netrpí problémy karet na FW jako je háklivost na použitý čipset, vyšší latence a větší zatížení CPU.

[František]

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[kavol]

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[František]

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[Ctirad Feřtr]

O UA101 se tuším psalo něco v linux audio user listu (doporučuju projít archivy). Ten vyšší model nevím, ani jsem o něm nikde nečetl, že by to byl nějký extra kauf s dobrým poměrem cena výkon. Spíš bych se podíval na Focusrite, Presonus nebo třeba Motu traveller. Hodně zajímavě vypadá i Alesis IO|26, ale ten bohužel spadá zrovna do kategorie "unsupported" a zatím se mi ho nikde nepodařilo půjčit, abych zkusil, jestli nepůjde s generickým ovladačem.

[František]

Díky za nakopnutí směrem k Linux audio user listu. Super odkaz.

[kavol]

Navíc netrpí problémy karet na FW jako je háklivost na použitý čipset, vyšší latence a větší zatížení CPU.

MUHEHE ... promiň, ale tato hláška mi v threadu, kde rozmlouváš použití USB, přišla opravdu vtipná (jestliže FW karty mají v tomto směru "problémy", co bys potom musel říci o USB?) (čímž neříkám, že nemáš pravdu ... jenom ten kontext je cool )

[Ctirad Feřtr]

Navíc netrpí problémy karet na FW jako je háklivost na použitý čipset, vyšší latence a větší zatížení CPU.

MUHEHE ... promiň, ale tato hláška mi v threadu, kde rozmlouváš použití USB, přišla opravdu vtipná (jestliže FW karty mají v tomto směru "problémy", co bys potom musel říci o USB?)

O USB říkám hned na začátku, že to pro multikanál není dobrý nápad. FW je výrazně robustnější řešení, ale svoje mouchy má. Částečně je to dané principem (vyšší latence) a částečně blbou implementací mnohých FW čipsetů, která způsobuje lupání a kousání.

[kavol]

O USB říkám hned na začátku, že to pro multikanál není dobrý nápad.

jasně, ale je vtipný ten kontext, že důvody, pro které (mimojiné) zavrhnout USB, potom vyčteš i jeho "náhradě"

FW je výrazně robustnější řešení, ale svoje mouchy má.

hm, trošku OT - za největší mouchu považuju to, že je dražší, tudíž v lowendu se místo něj používá USB, tudíž FW se nevyrábí a neprodává v takovém objemu, což jej ještě relativně zdražuje, a vzniká pak jakýsi lock-in, kdy uživatel, který by byl ochoten koupit si nějaký ne-úplně-levný hardware na FW už není ochoten kvůli tomu jednomu kousku (když ostatní má na USB) kupovat ještě FW řadič (nebo třeba ani nemůže - notebooky), a raději poptává USB verzi

... ale to není ani tak chyba FW jako současné konzumní společnosti, kde se musí šetřit náklady za každou cenu (i když centíky za FW licence za to jistě hodně zodpovídají)

[Ctirad Feřtr]

O USB říkám hned na začátku, že to pro multikanál není dobrý nápad.

jasně, ale je vtipný ten kontext, že důvody, pro které (mimojiné) zavrhnout USB, potom vyčteš i jeho "náhradě"

USB má ale mnohem větší problémy než FW a pak ještě některé další. Na tom není nic vtipného, to je prostě fakt.

hm, trošku OT - za největší mouchu považuju to, že je dražší

Dražší asi nebude, vždyť FW je běžné i na deskách za 1500,-Kč. Spíš je celý problém v tom, že je to technologie konkurenční k microsoftímu USB a podle toho se k tomu výrobci PC chovají. FW rozhraní je takřka bez výjimky řešené dodatečným broukem lípnutým na PCI namísto, aby bylo samozřejmou součástí čipsetu.

[kavol]

Na tom není nic vtipného, to je prostě fakt.

hm, a to má být jako v rozporu?

- znáš pořady ve stylu "Neváhej a toč"? ... že je fakt, když někdo dostal před kamerou do koulí, jako brání tomu, aby se tam diváci váleli smíchy?

Dražší asi nebude, vždyť FW je běžné i na deskách za 1500,-Kč. ... FW rozhraní je takřka bez výjimky řešené dodatečným broukem lípnutým na PCI namísto, aby bylo samozřejmou součástí čipsetu.

hm, takže řešení samostatným broukem je stejně drahé jako řešení v rámci jiného chipsetu?

... jinak nevím jak je to teď, ale dříve se za implementaci FW vybíraly patentové poplatky $0,25 na port, zatímco za USB ne

[Ctirad Feřtr]

Stále nechápu. Napsal jsem, že USB není dobrý nápad pro multikanálové audio a rozumnější volba je firewire. Dále jsem napsal, že kormě firewire se dělají i profi karty do cardbusu, což je defacto PCI se všemi jeho výhodami. Nevidím v tom nic nepravdivého, kontroverzního nebo dokonce vtipného. Ale už to nehodlám dál rozmazávat. Všichni kromě tebe to zjevně pochpili hned napoprvé ;)

Co se FW týče, s těmi licencemi je to možné. Ale opakuji, že FW (tříportový TI, což je nejlepší existující implementace na trhu) je běžné i na lowendových deskách, tudíž cena asi není hlavní problém, spíš marketing tlačící konkurenční USB. Uvidíme, jak to bude vypadat po příchodu USB3.

[kavol]

ano, nechápeš - popírám snad někde cokoliv z toho, co jsi řekl o vztahu USB-FW-CardBus? ... já myslím, že ne, takže reakce "nevidím v tom nic nepravdivého" je totálně mimo

mě pouze přišel vtipný ten kontext, ve kterém jsi to řekl; tobě ne, ok, vkus se různí - prosím přijmi to jako fakt a nehledej v tom neustále, že bych snad tvůj názor na tuto problematiku napadal, ok?

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jestli to midi de nahradit necim z tretim tak beru svou pripominku zpet

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no vetsinou je to delany tak, ze pocitac pres midi rozhrani ovlada krabice, ktery maj vlastni vystupy, ktery se poslou do opravdickyho mixaku, kde se to vsechno micha a vystup z nej se pak nahrava zas do pocitace.

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A neexistovalo by něco jako Virtual DJ pro Linux?

http://www.virtualdj.com/products/virtualdj/screenshot.html

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zkoušel jsem (čti: nainstaloval a spustil, prohnal tím 2-3 soubory a nechal to být) akorát:

http://mixxx.sourceforge.net/

http://terminatorx.org/

jo, fungujou. Ale obecně nechápu, k čemu jsou všechny tyhle věci bez bustru a kytary dobré ;)

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Virtual DJ slouží jako náhrada DJ mixážního pultu se dvěma gramofony a obsahuje spoustu efektů (scratchování apod.), narozdíl od Mixxxu, ke kterému se mixážní pult musí připojit. Druhý program neznám a nezkoušel jsem ho, ale podle screenshotů to také není to co hledám.

[Xóža Hňabaj]

To je samozrejme blbost. Mixxx ma vsechno co clovek potrebuje k hrani i bez mixazniho pultu. Samozrejme externi hardware v mnohem ulehci praci. (I kdyz stabilita mixxx je..ehm...diskutabilni :)

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Mixxx jsem si asi před čtvrt rokem nainstaloval, ale jak se s ním dá pracovat bez mixážních pultů jsem nezjistil. Ty jsi to zkoušel? Pokud ano mohl by ses se mnou podělit o tvoje zkušenosti pls?

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Thank you for this insightful overview. It’s interesting to see how MacOS and Windows have long dominated the music software world, while Linux users had to make do with far fewer options. The shift you’re hinting at is exciting though — it’s great to see how things are gradually evolving and giving musicians more freedom of choice. I appreciate you highlighting this change.

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[MHIEYO]

Thank you for sharing this — it’s a very clear snapshot of the current music software landscape. MacOS and Windows have long dominated the scene, while Linux users often struggled to find fully-featured audio applications. It’s encouraging to hear that things might finally be changing, giving more options and flexibility to musicians on all platforms.

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[Mhieyo]

Thank you for this insightful overview of how music software has evolved across different operating systems. It’s interesting to see how MacOS X and Windows have long dominated the scene, while Linux users had to make do with far fewer options in the past. The progress being made now is encouraging, and it’s great to see the landscape slowly becoming more balanced and accessible for everyone passionate about audio production.

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